In high-stress industries like accounting, burnout isn’t just a personal struggle—it’s a widespread professional challenge. The World Health Organization (WHO) has classified burnout as an occupational phenomenon, underscoring the urgent need to address accountant wellbeing in today’s demanding work environment.
What You’ll Learn in This Article:
How to recognize the three key signs of burnout, according to WHO
Why workplace satisfaction directly impacts professional longevity
How organizations can foster a culture of health and wellbeing
The Three Pillars of Accounting Burnout
Burnout doesn’t happen overnight—it develops through progressive physical, mental, and emotional exhaustion. According to WHO, burnout is defined by three major indicators:
1. Exhaustion (Physical, Mental, and Emotional)
Burnout extends beyond feeling tired—it affects your energy, mood, and ability to function. If you’re experiencing ongoing fatigue, disrupted sleep, or a lack of emotional resilience, these could be warning signs that your wellbeing as an accountant is at risk. It's important to notice the signs early.
2. Cynicism and Detachment
A subtle but critical red flag is increased detachment from work. Are you withdrawing from colleagues, feeling resentful, or engaging in excessive sarcasm? A negative shift in workplace attitude can indicate deeper dissatisfaction and burnout.
3. Professional Ineffectiveness
Tasks that once felt manageable may suddenly seem overwhelming. Burnout can cloud your decision-making, reduce productivity, and leave you struggling to complete even routine responsibilities.
The Cost of Poor Workplace Wellbeing
Recent workplace surveys reveal alarming trends in accountant wellbeing and job satisfaction:
Only 25% of professionals feel highly satisfied in their roles.
32% feel comfortable asking for help with long-term illness.
21% would seek support for stress management.
Only 14% would request help for burnout prevention.
This data highlights a critical issue: many professionals suffer in silence, hesitant to seek the support they need. Accountant wellbeing must become a priority, not just an afterthought.
Building a Culture of Wellbeing in Accounting
Fostering accountant wellbeing requires a proactive, leadership-driven approach. Here’s how organizations can support healthier work environments:
1. Set the Tone
Leaders must model healthy boundaries by:
✔ Taking real time off
✔ Disconnecting from work during vacations
✔ Prioritizing wellbeing in their own lives
When leadership embraces these behaviors, employees feel empowered to do the same.
2. Build Support Systems
Organizations should implement clear backup protocols so that professionals can step away from work when needed—without guilt or excessive workload redistribution.
3. Encourage Open Communication
An accounting firm’s culture should support transparent conversations about stress, workload, and wellbeing. Regular check-ins and honest dialogue prevent small problems from escalating into full-blown burnout.
Taking Action: Small Steps for Long-Term Accountant Wellbeing
Ignoring burnout only amplifies stress and lowers productivity. Instead of pushing through exhaustion, professionals should:
Recognize and respond to early signs of burnout
Take preventive rest before stress becomes overwhelming
Work remotely or adjust workloads when possible
Prioritize long-term health over quick recoveries
Final Thoughts: The Future of Accountant Wellbeing
The accounting profession must shift toward sustainable work practices that promote long-term success. By prioritizing accountant wellbeing, firms can reduce turnover, improve performance, and create a healthier, more engaged workforce.
The path to better accountant wellbeing starts with small, daily choices. What will you do today to support your professional longevity?
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What You’ll Learn From This Episode:
How to identify the three critical signs of burnout according to WHO
Why workplace satisfaction impacts professional longevity
The importance of creating a supportive culture around health and well-being
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Episode Transcript:
Welcome to billable hour burnout. Hello, and welcome to billable hour burnout. Hello, and welcome. This is billable hour burnout. We are coming into what I believe is our 35th episode.
Time flies. And as always, I'm happy to be here with you. I just wanna dive into today's show because I have a treat for you. Now today, it yeah. It's episode I'm confirming, episode 35.
Now this is gonna be a replay of an interview that I did with Seth Feinberg of Accountants Forward, and I feel like hearing this message in another voice is always so additive. I think of burnout getting support in burnout kinda like ice cream. Like, there's all different people, all different flavors, all different perspectives, and you need to find the one that's right for you. So Seth and I were invited to join BotKeepers. They call it on the edge training or it's just kind of like an on the edge hangout.
So Seth and I decided to do more of a fireside chat. And so what I wanted to do today is show that to you. But before we do, let me introduce you to the show. Welcome to billable hour burnout. If you need helpful tactical advice that will help you have the career of your dreams, you are in the right place.
If you want to finally enjoy the life of your building, you are in the right place. If you're finding yourself here today, it means you're looking for more work life balance, more ease, more confidence, and you're ready to make it happen without having to quit your job or burn down your life. My name is Lauren Baptiste, your big 4 dropout turned life coach, and you're listening to billable hour burnout. On the show, I share simple tactics and mindset strategies catered to the modern woman in accounting, consulting, law, and finance. Alright.
Let's do it. Episode 35. I'm gonna pull this up for you. Unfortunately, my friends on Instagram today are missing out. I'm just gonna have to redirect them to LinkedIn and YouTube.
But for today, let me get this show going for you so that you can experience the conversation that Seth and I had. So let's get this going. And you may see it blurry for a second, but it'll come to it'll come. Hi, everyone, and welcome. This is BotKeepers on the Edge.
My name is Lauren Baptiste. I'm here with Seth Feinberg of Accountants Forward. I so excited to be here with you today. We are gonna have what we're calling a live virtual coffee. That's okay.
So I think what's always really fun I mean, of course, we're our topic today, let's talk about that. Our topic is a conversation about emotional, physical, and mental health. But I think it's really good for each of us to share a little bit about who we are. So it says take a moment. Let us know who you are.
I'll share who I am, and then we can get into the the best part of your question. Sure. I I, I I have an interesting connection. For those who don't know me, I'm Seth Feinberg. I do, head up Accounts Forward.
That is my, coping practice, but I kind of started, after spending, you know, several decades, really, you know, covering, you know, business to business as a reporter, as an editor, an editorial leader. I came into accounting across, you know, along that path, you know, 20 odd years ago. I work for accounting today. I headed up the editorial for the US Office of Accounting Web. And, these days, I am working with, a lot of the vendor community and and organizations who are trying to get a have a better connection to accountants because, let's face it, we're at a point now where it's hard to consider any task internally or externally that you do as an accounting professional without, a tech technological component to it.
And behind all that, which we're gonna discuss today, is the relationships, Afro human relationships with, you know, people at at a company to you know, because it is a unit that needs, nurturing, and it needs attention, and I help to kind of make those connections through content. Amazing. I think of you a little bit, like, the megaphone of the profession. Like, things are happening. It's like, let me make sure everybody knows, and let me help, like, make it.
Yeah. I try. I do my best. I'm just, you know, just want me, but I I do what I can to utilize social platform, utilize my own, newsletter, and my partnership with CJ Trendlines, and it's just the trust that I feel like I've built, throughout the profession to really, you know, just say, you know, what's going on and go team. And, you know, because I really do see the accounting profession as so essential to, you know, just just growth in in our economy, in our our our personal lives.
You know, you you know you know you know, money kind of makes, you know, people's people's futures, you know, a little brighter if you if you have the proper management of it. You want someone in your corner who has your financial bill, in mind. There's more companies that are you know, more people that are starting businesses, that have started businesses even going back to pandemic, and, you know, ensuring that these businesses stay, not only stay alive, but but but help thrive, and you need a connection to that human being. Behind this, I I could think of no better, job, a task to have than being an advocate for the profession, and and really seeing these relationships, you know, get better. And I think trust trust starts on on, you know, with content.
Good content, like, I think starts that conversation. I love that. I think as you're sharing that stuff, it's like, you know, you're helping and I think we both have the same kind of, like, end result end users, like, helping the professionals in accounting, bookkeeping, and really be the most successful version of themselves. So I'll take a second just to share a little bit of my work so you can kinda see how we are I love I love what you do equally. Just really saying, look, it's about human behind the the, you know, the super this one or the, you know, any you know, everything that you that you do, the the the LLC, the office front.
There's a this person and people, you know, behind that. You're you're all laughing. So I love that. Yeah. And so for a little bit about me, my firm's Acloa Wellness.
I help professionals experience balance in their lives. Right? I help them get the promotion, the salaries, the next step in their professional career without have to sacrifice without having to sacrifice themselves. And I know that because, for my story, I ended up in an emergency room from burnout. And that was my turning point of, okay, if this happened to me, this is likely happening to other people, and I noticed it was.
And that's where I love it. Like, my mission I look well I love the profession, and I've been in it for a long time now. I'm there for the person. I'm there for the business owner. I'm there for the person sitting at the desk.
I'm there for the person serving the client. I'm there for the person who's just trying to figure all of this out, whether in a small team or a large conglomerate. And I think these tools that we're sharing and that we're doing and how we're then you're megaphoning it out. Right? How we're making sure it's amplifying it is what's changing the profession for I think for the back hurt.
Totally. I I I couldn't agree more, Lauren. Tell him oh, go ahead. Yeah. No.
I I I just think that there needs to be, you know, just more of that being the drum for the human being, you know, behind all of this because I know that there's probably times where you know, and I think, you know, you you would know better, you know, than I, but, you're pointing out and recognizing these little stressors, these little things that that that really are going to lead you down that path of, you know, not, you know, being so well. And you can't, look after your clients and your family and provide your business, if you are off. You know, we all have our days. It's not about having days. It's about when they add up to a point at where you're just not thinking about your life, and that's why I loved hearing you say at, you know, when you had your presentation at, AI unchained, you referred to it as life work balance because it may sound kitschy and corny, whatever.
Life comes first. And if I think, you know, the last few years of having to deal with life first as well as, you know, your clients and your your, you know, your, everything else going on, your business. You know? Because you're making a mistake. I mean, it kinda fresh, but you're you're helping run a a a business, and that is that's feed your life.
Feed your livelihood, and you need that balance. It has to happen. And so I love that you referred to it as as life work balance because because let it be let let let that be the norm when we're talking about balance, true balance. Right. You know, when knowing when certain things have to come.
As you share that, so one of the I I did the speaking event of AI and change, which was so fun, but I also had the opportunity to hold a roundtable. And one of the things that we're talking about was a similar topic that that we're having right now, and they were saying, well, life LifeWorks Balance is live me answering emails on the couch. And I'm like, no. No. No.
No. No. Like, no. That's not I mean, that makes you happy. Great.
But, not quite. Not quite. And that's where it gets tricky. Right? Because we think that work life balance, life balance, whatever.
It's like this it's either this really rigid thing where okay. Well, then after 5, I log off, and then I have the rest of my night to myself or and then I you know, maybe after I put my kids to bed, I log in for another hour. It it can have rigidity. It can have structure. It is it's the start that way.
Right? Like, you you just give yourself a time where this is what like, every day, I go, this is the time where I am walking. I'm out of the house. I'm not I as you can see, I work from home, and I need to be somewhere. Rain, shine, hot, cold.
I have sort of that way. And that maybe over time, there's little flexibility to it, like, you know, what have you. But would you agree that maybe it starts with some fraternity, but it doesn't have to stay that way? Absolutely. Right.
There's structure. We need structure. Without structure, we're, like, kind of k it's chaos. But there's a way to go about it where there needs to be a flexibility with that structure. So the way I like to think about it is, like, know what you want.
Let's say, you know, that maybe goes on walks in the morning, and that's his thing. And every morning, he's gonna do that. Well, there may be the one off where that he'd have to take a call, but flexibility doesn't mean, okay. Now I'm not gonna go on this walk or this is a busy time, and now I'm not gonna do walks anymore. Do I change the time of day?
Do I change the duration of how long I walk? Life happens. Sometimes it has you have to have that flexibility. You can't be like, oh, this is my walk time. It's like, yeah.
Okay. Well, I gotta take my kids to the doctor. So yes, it's not even bad. It's on both sides. It's like, okay.
You still need to care for yourself, and you need to be flexible with your work. You know, I think there's this there's a sales thought that a lot of professionals have that just one more. Just one more email, just one more meeting, just one just let me get through this and then I'll log off for the day. But we need the flexibility there to say, okay, enough. So I think of flexibility as this pendulum, kind of like those big old clock.
It's like the pendulum that swings back and forth, and there will be time. It's more work, and there will be time. It's more life, but the pendulum is always moving. And it's our job to make sure it doesn't get stuck in any specific spot, but that we can find that harmony as it moves throughout our life. What do you think when you think of work life balance?
Is there a visual that comes to your mind or something that, like, pops into your head? Yeah. When when I, you know, I feel that I've been more committed to that idea of of life work balance because, you know, as I mentioned, life does have to come first, but, yeah, it it is, it it's like a new routine. Like, people who are like, okay. Yeah.
I know. I I'm regularly to doctor. I'm at a certain age where it's like, okay. Yeah. Take your health.
You shouldn't ever take your health for granted, mental or physical, but, you know, life moves on and moves forward and and certain things start to need more attention as time goes on. And I I realized that you just can't make it like something that you put off because it could actually be too like like, maybe you found out when you were realizing, like, you know, maybe we should get into the topic of burnout. You know, our our good friend, Randy Crabtree, and and we know some others too who have a person who either suffered from, you know, burnout, and it and it it impacted them, mentally and physically to where it affected their health. And that's just when, you know, people just are are are stop because things have to change. You realize something's broken in your own health.
Something's probably broken in your life too, possibly, or it just shifts your attention. Absolutely. To You know what? It's not You know? So go ahead.
Yeah. It just shifts your attention to, you know, okay. Yeah. I thought I had work life balance. I'm putting work first too often.
Mhmm. Life has to come first for your health. Who you are, how you are has to come first. And recognizing the signs of of burnout, could we talk about that? Yeah.
I would love to. And the one thing I'll add just because of what you shared is there's a point where I find in the profession, it's not even the health that's slowing us down anymore. Because it's like, okay. I have this thing. I'll take a pill, a scoop, a cream, and I'll just, like, kinda keep trucking.
But what happens is when I start to see the ricochet effect in the career. That's when people raise their hand. Now I I don't love that. I but, you know, like you said, it's like when something's happening in the body, it's likely something's happening. Like, we have so many senses of stress that tell us that stress is happening in the body, but we suppress it, like twitching eyes, lower back pain, like, all these little creepy things that creep up.
So I think it's important to be aware of that. But, also, okay, if you are at the point where your career is ricocheting and you're noticing that everything's just like your emotional health, your physical health, your mental health is all in disarray, that's why you need to start prioritizing it. So I love that you say that. Okay. So you said you wanna talk about burnout.
You want me to I think I think we should just as a like, just a basic, like, okay. Yep. I think it's practical. How do you know that, you know, it was like you said, our our natural tendency sometimes push through. Mhmm.
Mask it through, you know, whatever other means, or not pay attention to when the, you know, the warning signs are there. And it's like, you know, if, you know, those of us who have have owned, cars at some point, when that light starts flashing at you, it's too late. The check the check engine light should not go on because that's like there's a major problem. Right. Don't put a piece of tape over it.
But but, typically, you know, that's that's when it's like it was don't wait for the warning light to come on. But maybe there's other signs where things could be kind of breaking down, and that's what I wanna get to this year. Yeah. I mean, what's interesting is there's a study that said 75 to 90% of all visits to the doctor are for stress related health concerns. So I think if you said it, like, hey, is our body telling us something?
I think what happens is as we age, we blame that all the burnout and stress on our age. Or, you know, even men women that are going through menopause will be like, okay. Well, it must just be menopause or it must just be because I'm getting older versus saying, isn't that stress making me sick? Have you ever had a day where you started to feel it and you were so stressed, you pushed through and you ended up getting yourself sick? I've also had an opposite day where I've, like, felt I was getting sick.
I was like, I said I need to go to bed, and I woke up the next morning fine. So we can see how stress is like it adds like a gas to the fire. Yeah. So plan number 1, should you wait until there's physical signs or is there other signs, like, where you, like, you might be experiencing burnout? Yeah.
Well, according to the world should, our our viewers look for? Yeah. According to the World Health Organization, in 2019, they said burnout is an occupational phenomenon. So what that means is to work is is now at the point I find it bittersweet. We're talking about it, but it's also bad enough that we're, like, having to talk about it.
Right? So they quantify it in 3 things. Exhaustion, physical, mental. Right? We're even talking about physical, mental, emotional exhaustion.
It's not just your sleep. It's your energy. It's your mood. It's how you're showing up. The second is cynicism and detachment.
Little more sarcastic, a little more withdrawn, a little more negative about your job and how things are going? And then the third is an ineffectiveness at work. And this is where sometimes this is like the one that people notice because they just figure I'm tired of hips or I'm tired of life slicing. Or I'm just sarcastic. That's how everybody is in the profession.
But ineffectiveness at work, something that maybe used to take you a day now takes you a week. You're not getting things done, as quickly. You're not as sharp as you used to be. That's why if you think about it as these three things, exhaustion, cynicism, and ineffective, what comes up for you, you know, as you're thinking about this or listening to this? Yeah.
And I think that was probably a good time to to bring up, the facts that we've talked about this. Some of you might not know, but, I had engaged, with Randy Crabtree and this Tri Merit Group. We had discussed this very topic of burnout and burnout in the profession, and and is this why more accountants are are leaving? You know, it's it's been very widely publicized that there are less accountants to do the job than there were. Now this is not a new issue, but the to the degree that it is happening and also the fact that there aren't as many who want to come in.
Used to be able to kind of go, oh, yeah. You know, there's, you know, there's definitely attrition, in the profession. But when you don't have the folks coming in at the pace that they were, something's wrong. So we decided to to kind of a multi engage in what, ultimately, I think is gonna be a multipart survey around the idea of is burnout a thing? Is burnout what is causing, folks to, you know, like you said, just disconnect from their jobs, not perform as well, and ultimately just leave, either a, the firm that they're at or the profession altogether.
So, the first phase was really just looking at, hey. How do you work? Right? Mhmm. Let's let's piece this apart.
You know? We can be a little scientific about it. We can start looking at, you know, a survey saying, okay. Let's see who, you know, is, you know, you know, satisfy their job and and why. So we found, through our our survey work that and also we had a lot of help from, HP Publishing and Marketing Company founder, Hack Berkowitz.
He's he's done a a bunch of this before. So we called it our accountants annual profession satisfaction survey, which, again, I think is kind of part 1 of, I think, maybe 3 different lenses that we can we can look at Mhmm. To determine burnout. So we we asked about satisfaction, and we only found about, 25% and 17%, respectively, said that they felt highly satisfied at work. Wow.
So of everyone we serve, and there was several 100 folks who responded, firms of all sizes. Conversely, we thought it was interesting that, the folks, you know, while while a lot of them said that, you know, they they were working 60 hours a week, or or more, I think that was around 2 thirds, said that they were. The majority were in fact satisfied with what they were doing because of the type of work. Mhmm. So that's another thing too that counts might want to consider when would feel like but the overall like, if you're not feeling satisfied, it can lead you.
Would you agree to count that down with burnout? Yeah. I mean, that's here. Saying. It's like, is it the type like, for satisfaction, is it the type of work or the way that we're working?
And I actually believe it's the way that we're working that is creating the dissatisfaction. A lot of us came into the profession being, like, content with accounting, liking numbers, liking people, doing the thing. It's the way that it's done now that it just feels like I can't touch it right, I can't catch up, that I think is actually contributing to those lower numbers and satisfaction. Yep. Another factor in the survey, if if, if I may Yeah.
We which we once caught, which is we had a whole section of questions around health and well-being. Mhmm. And we found that many respondents were not comfortable even asking for help in the following areas. Long term illness or disability assistance, only 32%, stress management, only 21%, Mental health, only 19%, and then just overall burnout prevention, 14%. Meaning, they worked in a firm and they didn't feel comfortable talking about things.
So while we did find on the positive side, there are more firms and more businesses in general that are finding that flexibility, not having to come into an office all the time was, you know or they can pick and choose days when they can come in. That seems to be more of the norm these days. Obviously, you know, the press likes to focus on the whole of this business and that business. They're calling everyone back in. Yeah.
You know, by and large, that's just not the case. That's not the case in any kind of crisis too. For the most part. You know. There is definitely something to be said for, well, you know, we wanna have culture.
We wanna have connection. Humans have to connect with other humans. I get that. But it's more than that. They have to feel supported where they are.
Mhmm. And it seems that, you know, in these several areas, they do not. And there's just that lack of connection and the lack of feeling like, hey. Maybe I could actually ask for a day off when I feel that I need it. Yeah.
That's that's key. Like, just that mental state of just going, you know or or if you're running a firm and just going you know, conversely, like, I wanna feel like, yeah. I'm the firm leader. I'm gonna tell my staff. Like, I'm just I'm I I'm I'm, OOO today.
Just completely off computer, ad office. I need a DNA. What I find do that. Yeah. I mean, what I find really interesting in your survey, I actually expected when it it comes to an illness that the number would have been higher.
So I I didn't I wasn't surprised by the stress management mental health and burnout numbers. Wow. It is a cancer diet. I mean, I don't know how what they see is illness. It's like my absence of load.
It's just generally, like, I just don't call people well. I think you're comfortable enough just going, I just I I I need a day. Obviously, if you're, like, really sick, this thing most people again, not everybody, but most people, it's like, you know what? I'm I I got fewer today. I've been yeah.
It's really you know, some some people suffer from migraine. Migraines can happen through the diet, through a lot of other things. I I know that my my older son, suffers from them. My wife my wife suffers from them. It's it's the chemical to fit.
It's not just, oh, you might be gonna be stressed. Okay. You know? And you have to be when people chronically suffer from them, you have to be sensitive to when they start because they run-in like a pattern. And there's early, early signs where you can go, okay, I can pop.
So I can take something to help ease that out because some people, like, when it gets, like, to a point, it's too late. Dark room, waste bucket by your side, cold cloth, like, they just want Yeah. It's a build table. And and it's something that's so easily, like, filled with. And, you know, you want to feel and this is one example of you just feeling like, I can't push through this, and I feel and you should feel guilty for just going, I'm just not feeling it today.
Absolutely. Anyone. Absolutely. And that's where I think, you know and even though that number is low, it it just tells me that there's a sentiment in the profession of just, like, the push through no matter what. I can't I'm sure a lot as well as about everyone who's listening to this can raise their hand, but, like, the time that guy came or gal came to the office sick, got you sick, and then, like, took out your team.
Or, like, what a lose lose as opposed to, like, stay home, take a day off, work from home. And so we need to talk about this because we are perpetuating that cycle if we don't talk about it. Right? What we're doing here is hopefully illuminating someone to say, if you're sick or you're not feeling good, either work remotely or turn off your computer altogether, ideally. Go rest and get better and come back fresh.
Just feel like you have to just kind of tell yourself, even, you know, whatever. It sounds silly, fine. But look in the mirror and just go, can I do this today Mhmm? Or not? Either way, it's okay.
Whatever you're feeling, it's okay. If you're a firm leader, and you've gotta go to your your your admin, your staff, and just you when you send out that text, send out that email, just not not in today. If there's if there's a real emergency, contact so and so and so. Leave yourself out of the picture because it's all of those instances where you push through that. If you're if you're truly feeling like, yeah, I just I just need the day, and you kind of do whatever it is to, you know, to put yourself in the situation to where if you're not well, that, I think, is going to lead you down that path to burnout, and it's hard for them to come back from versus just recognizing in a moment.
Like, you know what? It's okay. I'm just I'm not I'm not here today. Mhmm. And and that could go to, you know, office policies too, where if you have you know, I think that's a culture thing too.
You feel like you are, you know, the, you know, the culture controller, and you're you're the head of your your your product, whether it's it's 3 people or 30 or more, you know, you're you're setting the tone. You're the one that people will will follow. So if if you're the one and and the higher ups, you know, in your firm are are the ones that say, what goes and your staff are gonna be looking to you, they're gonna they're gonna follow that. And who knows? Maybe it'll it will have the effect of, you know yeah.
Maybe they they will stick around longer because they feel like they're taken care of. They're feeling like they're in a place where it's okay to just not be okay all the time. Mhmm. In the middle of this I love that. So as we're coming to the end of today, I wanted to summarize even a few of the things that you just said that I think is really valuable for someone to be like, alright.
What would take away from this? And the first is what we talked about, like, be aware. Be aware that you're burned out. Take note. 2nd, set the tone.
If you're the leader, which I know a lot of you listening to this are, then be the one who can take a vacation day and not check your email or ask somebody, can you cover this in my absence? Right? These examples of what you hope to see. And then the third thing is just be an advocate. Continue to tell others.
Continue to be aware of your mental health. Notice it. And others tell them to go home. Be the message to say, it's okay to give yourself permission to have a day off. Right?
And when we perpetuate that cycle of being aware, setting the tone for ourselves, and then advocating for others, it creates a movement really of where we go from here as professionals. Totally. And I would say, Lauren, that, you know, a lot of firms, I think, might feel like a firm leaders, people working their profession. I feel like they're just kind of in the style of their loan. They just have their clients, their work, and the people around them and their staff, and that's and that's it.
Mhmm. And there is such a larger community out there who I've seen and you've seen really will support you. They might be strangers to you right now, but they're there. Absolutely. And and figure out ways to have better connections to the profession because, you know, what I've seen, I've seen it even on just simple social media channels where, you know, folks are just feel like maybe they're shouting into the ether.
But there's another voice there. There's another person there that is, you know, either gonna DM you or maybe get your your information and be like, you know, I'm there. I've got people on my phone right now. That is something we're up to me. I I I can look in even outside of my own town.
Several people that I could just I know that in a pitch, I could just go, I I'm just making a call today. I got this. I got a call. Oh, good. We're very sad.
You know? Stay connected to each other. That's that's my sort of final word. I love it. Alright.
We're coming to the end, Seth. Where how can we stay connected to you and your info? Oh, me? I try to keep it simple. It's, if you wanna email me, that's fine.
It's steph@sethpynberg.com. You can find my website, conferenceforwardorsethpfeitwer.com. I I don't know their names. People reach out to me a lot on LinkedIn. That's totally cool.
You can find me on LinkedIn. Just send me send me an email, whatever you wanna connect. That's fine. We'll have a conversation. I do this pretty regularly.
I'm only as good as the information that I have. And, Lauren, I'm so glad that we connected. Amazing. What about what about you, Al? Can people get Yeah.
You can connect with me at acheloawellness.com. That's acheloawellness.com. I'm on all the social media platforms. You can find me on LinkedIn at lauren baptiste, Instagram, the lauren baptiste, and email, lauren@acolowellness.com. So, yeah, I think for here, it's like if you are coming at this from a per an individual, reach out to either of us.
If you're thinking about this as a the organization, reach out to either of us. We are here to support you and not Okay. Seeing that. So if you're feeling lonely, who's that first person to reach out to? It's your new best friend, Lauren and Seth.
So I'll leave it there. Thank you so much for joining. Thank you, BoxKeeper team, another amazing on the edge. So fun. I love watching that again.
I, like, got to relive it just by listening and watching it all over again. So thank you so much for joining today. This I have a little announcement today that I didn't give you. And there's so much going on in my world, but we're almost at 40 minutes. So I'm gonna save that all for next week.
But here's what I'm gonna tell you. The level hour burnout is going to have a season finale at the end of December. So we have a few episodes left. So reach out to me if there's anything that's, like, burning that you would love to talk about. I love having you here every week.
I love showing up for you, and I'm taking a brief pause to make sure that everything that I give you continues to be more and more valuable. Thank you so much for joining. Stay connected with me in all the places that I mentioned. Reach out to Seth and follow him in LinkedIn and all the places. And for now, I hope you have a beautiful day as you rethink the emotional, physical, and mental toll of your well-being at work.
